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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:37 am 
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I ask because I have an idea for Starstuff...the idea is to have observing lists for varying size telescopes...anyone's thoughts on this idea?

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That's a great idea, Stacy! Here's my current list:

16" f/4.5 truss/strut dob
Stellarvue 80ED f/7 Nighthawk NG
Homemade 80mm f/5 refractor
Konus 20x80 binos
Orion 10x50 Worldview binos
Nikon 16-48x 65mm spotting scope
Carson 7x32 monocular

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I agree.

My list:
18" f/4.2 Nightsky truss Dobsonian
10" f/4.7 Orion Intelliscope Dobsonian
10" f/4 Meade Schmidt-Newtonian on Losmandy G-11 GEM
8" f/10 Meade Schmidt-Cassegrain on LXD-75 GEM
6" f/5 Meade Schmidt-Newtonian on LXD-55 GEM
90 mm. f/13.8 Meade Maksutov-Cassegrain on DSX mount
80 mm. f/7.5 Orion 80ED refractor on AZ-3 mount
80 mm. f/6 Pentax PF-80ED spotting scope on Bogen 3210 tripod
various binoculars from 8X42 to 25X100

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Thanks peeps...so far I am seeing a range of 66mm to 457mm in objective size...that's a wide range....but given the range, up to 16 magnitude for various star charts.

Here's my idea more fleshed out...given range, say 66mm to 157mm, there are star charts up to 6.5 magnitude, 158 to 200mm, another star chart going up to 12 magnitude...and anything that fits in the larger sizes, up to 16 magnitude.

These magnitude ranges are based on the objective size only, because EP's and the type of objective will either enhance or dehance the magnitude of what a telescope can theoritically see...just trying to keep it simple. And of course, the LM of one's particular observing area comes into play. But if there were a base line of LM in an urban area for star charts, then it may be a good resource for what one might see within the least ideal observing situation.

So there it is...my idea...I'm sure someone has thought of this for sure, however, I'm still researching for this type of resource so that it is centralized for everyone..

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I like the Night Sky Observers Guide by Kepple and Sanner, because it does tell you what to expect when you're observing different objects through different size scopes. M11 or M13 don't look like much through an 80 or 90 mm. scope, but they sure are impressive in a 10" or larger scope.

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snorkler wrote:
I like the Night Sky Observers Guide by Kepple and Sanner, because it does tell you what to expect when you're observing different objects through different size scopes. M11 or M13 don't look like much through an 80 or 90 mm. scope, but they sure are impressive in a 10" or larger scope.


I have that and it is well written and a grea source...I'm thinking of something more streamlined...kind of like a quick print and go type of deal...might have to pull one together, which would be great fun!

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Great idea Stacy!

My list includes:

60-mm f/5 Achro
4" f/9.8 Achro
6" f/8 Newt
8" SCT
10" f/5.6 Newt
12.5" f/7.1 Newt
Various binos

There's some other scopes, but the above is what I use on a fairly regular basis.


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Stacy Jo wrote:
snorkler wrote:
I like the Night Sky Observers Guide by Kepple and Sanner, because it does tell you what to expect when you're observing different objects through different size scopes. M11 or M13 don't look like much through an 80 or 90 mm. scope, but they sure are impressive in a 10" or larger scope.


I have that and it is well written and a grea source...I'm thinking of something more streamlined...kind of like a quick print and go type of deal...might have to pull one together, which would be great fun!



Stacy,

Yeap, the NSOG is a great resource and will keep someone busyfor years.

Regards a more streamlined "atlas". I just make my own. They follow the same format as my three published books.

For myself, I've made the following
Shakhbazian Groups - available the the GSSP website
Local Group - available the the GSSP website
Galaxy Trios - available the the GSSP website
Small Galaxy Groups - available the the GSSP website
The above four are on my website, but I didn't make a link for it yet. I will when I release the next two below.

Globular Clusters (all above -50 dec)
Planetary Nebulae (300+)


Then this one
Abell Galaxy Clusters (65+ AGC's)

So I have enought to keep me going for a while.



Oh, my scope list is
22" f/4 homebuilt
6" f/6.5 Antares achromat on SVP mount
5" f/7.7 Takahashi TOA-130S on AP1200 mount
30" f/4.3 Starmaster - to be sold.
Couple other scopes not worth listing.

Both the 22" and 30" will be replaced by an ultralight 28" f/3.5, which will be only 2" longer than my 22"...but smaller in storage size. The 28" is halfway done. I'll have the mirror in Feb.

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Stacy, I like the idea. A list that incorporates expected results/objects for both given aperture and local NELM would be very useful. Something like this could serve well for sidewalk astronomy, too, where overhead darkness isn't always ideal, and where your locations change.

If you were to build lists based on field of view, I'd recommend giving a little to the bino guys. There are tons of lists for galaxy lovers, but many fewer for widefield scanners.


It's probably a bit useless now, but my arsenal includes:

8x40 bino
15x85 bino
4.5" newt
10" newt (in pieces)
12" newt

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Chopin wrote:
Stacy, I like the idea. A list that incorporates expected results/objects for both given aperture and local NELM would be very useful. Something like this could serve well for sidewalk astronomy, too, where overhead darkness isn't always ideal, and where your locations change.

If you were to build lists based on field of view, I'd recommend giving a little to the bino guys. There are tons of lists for galaxy lovers, but many fewer for widefield scanners.


It's probably a bit useless now, but my arsenal includes:

8x40 bino
15x85 bino
4.5" newt
10" newt (in pieces)
12" newt


I think your idea of the wideview list is fabulous! And no, your list isn't useless at all. just trying to get a base line here...so the more telescopes that are listed, the better.

Stacy

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Here's my list.

DSH-8 (GSO Dob)
15x70 Oberwerks
SVP 100 f/6 achro
WO 66 Petzval
Sears Discoverer EQ 60/900
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Do you get a lot of use out of that WO 66mm, Tom? I've thought that owning one of those would be pretty cool, but wondered about the capabilities of such a small aperture. However, after using the 65mm Nikon spotter I have, I've found it to be a lot of fun.

I still don't know how WO sells such a nice scope at such a low price...

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Looks like we have a pretty good range of aperature thus far.

The project is starting to jell on paper for me and will start posting roughd drafts for everyone to check out and comment on.

Last night was nice and clear in Oakland...got some time in with Jupiter...wanted to stay out later, but had a client to meet this morning...I'm thinking tonight will be a longer session.

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Cool- looking forward to seeing what you come up with, Stacy! :cool:

Hope you get some good observing in tonight too! :)

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Erik wrote:
Cool- looking forward to seeing what you come up with, Stacy! :cool:

Hope you get some good observing in tonight too! :)


Thanks Erik...I'm thinking that it may be a good winter project...but hopefully won't take that long!

The heat busted my ass yesterday...manage to get in some nekked eye observing in when we went up on the roof to cool down.

It's much cooler today, but I am wondering if that will preclude a clear sky tonight??? Guess I should get on over to the weather sites.

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Erik wrote:
Do you get a lot of use out of that WO 66mm, Tom? I've thought that owning one of those would be pretty cool, but wondered about the capabilities of such a small aperture.


I've gotten a surprising amount of use from it. I keep it on a light weight EQ mount that came with my Sears Discoverer. A Vixen 8-24 zoom resides in the focuser. It makes a nice grab-n-go scope for moon and planets. I'll often bring out a Celestron Ultima barlow with it to turn in the eyepiece into a~ 4-12 zoom. Very handly focal lengths for a zoom! :cool:

Besides moon and planets and I've used it for tracking the night-to-night motion of bright comets. It's excellent for this.

Of course it's not a true Petzval as the 2 rear elements move with the focuser. And the color isn't quite as good as the ED scopes (from what I've heard) but it's good enough that I don't bother using a minus-V filter with it ( I have one for my 100mm achro that's I've tried with it).

In short, it's my "no you've got no excuse not to get out and view" scope. :lol:

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Sounds like the perfect grab and go setup with the zoom ep in the focuser. That's what I like about the spotter, though I'd like to get more than 48x out of it. Unfortunately, Nikon doesn't make a high power ep or barlow. I'll have to try and see if standard ep's fit in it.

Those 66's are so tiny. I was thinking that mounting one on the iOptron Cube would also make a great grab and go setup- complete with go-to. Talk about no excuse to go out and observe! :grin:

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Trying not to re-invent the wheel...

So, I had this great idea (and it still may be great) about compiling a list of varying magnitude objects for binos, small telescopes and medium telescopes.

As I was going through one of my boxes, I came across Touring the Universe through Binoculars By Philip Harrington...I forgot I had it! As I was getting re-familiarized with it, it dawned on me that this is a great resource for binos and small telescopes, not to mention Sky&Telescope's Pocket Sky Atlas.

And one more if you can find it...The Observer's Sky Atlas by E. Karkoschka.

Comments, thoughts?

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I've heard great thing about Harrington's book. He a real bino nut. It's one of the books on my short list.

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Stace, I wouldn't worry about creating a redundant product. I think your project will ultimately do two things.

1) You will become extra familiar with parts of the sky you knew very little about.

2) Those of us who use your new atlas/charts will find a new way of hunting and finding. That is often the biggest part of the fun. Besides, you may throw some objects on there that even veterans have never taken the time to visit.


If you have time to do so, maybe you could put together a sample of what you're thinking and see how some of the peeps here like it. Just an idea. You never know 'til you try, and there is never waste in trying.

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Chopin wrote:
Stace, I wouldn't worry about creating a redundant product. I think your project will ultimately do two things.

1) You will become extra familiar with parts of the sky you knew very little about.

2) Those of us who use your new atlas/charts will find a new way of hunting and finding. That is often the biggest part of the fun. Besides, you may throw some objects on there that even veterans have never taken the time to visit.


If you have time to do so, maybe you could put together a sample of what you're thinking and see how some of the peeps here like it. Just an idea. You never know 'til you try, and there is never waste in trying.


Thanks for the support Chopin...your idea of a "sample" list is a good one and we all can take it from there. It will be fun.

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Erik wrote:
Those 66's are so tiny. I was thinking that mounting one on the iOptron Cube would also make a great grab and go setup- complete with go-to. Talk about no excuse to go out and observe! :grin:


I know that choices are a very personal thing but for me there is no current go-to setup that I would consider grab-n-go. When they come up with something that I can set out on the lawn and without any alignment routine I can tell it to go to Comet McNaught and it does so accurately then I'll accept it as a grab-n-go setup.

YMMV.

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Good point, Tom. That's why I enjoy a simple ALT/AZ mount. Go-to is often pointless with a small scope anyway, though tracking would be nice for high power viewing.

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Agreed. I started with an AltAz. I've had a NexStar 4 and I have an LXD75 and two manual GEMs, and I still prefer an AltAz.

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May as well jump in here...

I have a 4" f/10 refractor (Celestron C4-R) and a 6" f/5 reflector optimized for astro photography (oversized secondary, etc) that I assembled from commercial parts about 30 years ago (Coulter primary and secondary, Parks fiberglass tube, Kenneth Novak spider, etc.).

A possible new addition might be one of the Stellarvue SV80/9D Certified Pre-Owned but I've not yet spoken to Vic.

No one asked but I also have a pair of Nikon 10x25 binocs as well as a 30 year old pair of 7x50s. I've been thinking about upgrading to a pair of Garrett Optical 20x80s.

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Past scopes were as follows:

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I list the past ones as well because I had a lot of observation time with those and should be able chime in on observations I did with them.

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Stacy Jo wrote:
Trying not to re-invent the wheel...

So, I had this great idea (and it still may be great) about compiling a list of varying magnitude objects for binos, small telescopes and medium telescopes.



I used to have a link to club website in Ohio (I think) that had a nice list of brighter objects for small scopes and urban observers. Danged if I can remember what it was called..... :?:

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I need to update my previously published scope inventory.

This morning I paid a visit to Vic Maris at Stellarvue and bought one of his "Certified Previously Owned" SV80/9D tubes. The serial number of mine is "CPO0015" if anyone is keeping track.

He also had one of the original Nighthawks in his CPO inventory as well. I really liked the black finish and the heft of the Nighthawk but given my poor backyard skies, the SV80/9D made more sense.

The Stellarvue showroom is nothing short of amazing. As a result of today's visit, I have revised my scope progression plan to reflect the following goals: 1. SV80/9d (achieved), 2. Nighthawk NextGen, 3. SV102ED Deluxe, 4. SV115T.

I can dream, right?

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